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Post by jeresabarnett42 on Aug 4, 2016 4:09:18 GMT
At the beginning of the novel, the reader can plainly tell that Scout is immature, being is a young child. But as the events of the story unfold, we see her coming face-to-face with issues of the real world and developing as a character. While I was reading, I had a recurring thought. Does the novel symbolize, in a way, the innocence of man? People harbor certain prejudices because of their environments but no one is born full of hate. Society, upbringing, as well as attitude can mold a person to have the views that they posses. So why does Scout's outlook differ drastically from Jem's despite having similar upbringings? Perhaps Atticus' penchant for justice influenced Scout's more, or maybe Jem remembering his mother's death contributed towards his cynical nature?
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Post by ivyross on Aug 5, 2016 0:14:47 GMT
One if the novels themes is definitely loss of innocence. I think that Scout and Jem's outlooks on life are very different largely because of age, while four years may not seem like a lot, that's (on a little bit older scale) freshman vs senior. While people are still kids there is a lot of maturity development that happens within each year, much more than each year of adulthood. I do think that Jem remembering his mother has an affect but that is part of age. Jem was old enough to remember her, while Scout wasn't. And that has sunken into him, as losing a parent would to anyone, in a way Scout didn't experience.
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Post by Noah Durrance on Aug 5, 2016 16:35:35 GMT
I wholeheartedly agree that the loss of innocence, especially Scout's, is a center theme. However, I disagree that Jem's thoughts and experiences differ drastically from Scout's. While Jem could be "difficult to live with, inconsistent, [and] moody", that did not mean he understood the prejudice and hatred that permeated throughout Maycomb, and was just as appalled as Scout when Tom Robinson's fate was decided. On the way back from the courthouse, Jem states that "it ain't right" and asked Atticus "How could they do, how could they?" referring to the horrible discrimination that was evident in the jury. While Jem is a man and therefore expected to be less emotional and sympathetic, he shows that his life experiences shape him just as much as Scouts' does.
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Post by ivyross on Aug 5, 2016 17:00:06 GMT
Jem is more mature, because of age and his personality, than Scout is. His ways of coping with hard events still need development, as seen here "'I never wanta hear about that courthouse again, ever, ever, you hear me?'". He gets angry, while Scout is just confused. I agree that both children are shaped by the life experiences, just that they are affected differently, and it shows.
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Post by leah on Aug 11, 2016 17:30:55 GMT
Loss of innocence is definitely one of the main themes of the novel. I believe that Jem and Scouts age difference is a large part of why their outlook on life is different, Jem has had experiences that Scout hasn't yet, or will never have. Though, they are both still young and they do seem to have most of the same opinions on the discrimination in their town, though they also have different ways of dealing with their problems and feelings, which makes them seem more different than each other than they are.
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Post by joshseth on Aug 11, 2016 19:52:20 GMT
Throughout the novel Scout and Jem mature at different paces and there loss of innocence is a huge turning point. In the beginning of the book Scout and Jem are very close and as the book goes on their age difference is what separates them and influences their relationship. Jem, being the oldest, has to figure things out on his own and learn how to deal with them his own way. Though Scout has a tenancy to copy Jems ways it is not always for the better. In the end the two have changed and matured their own ways because of the outcomes of events they experienced and the way they handled them.
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Post by laceyredinger6 on Aug 14, 2016 20:06:28 GMT
I agree that Scout was immature at the beginning of the book. But I also agree that throughout the book when more of reality and real life problems hit her she grew and matured with everything that has happened.
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Post by bennettspengler on Aug 14, 2016 23:10:22 GMT
Although Scout was immature at the beginning of the novel, she was significantly more mature than most people gave her credit for. She could read before most people, she had Calpurnia as a mother figure which gave her an opportunity to understand racism better than most of her peers. Regardless, Scout still learns an amazing amount through the story and the experiences and rites of passage she went through.
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Post by Jaiden Twining on Aug 19, 2016 2:35:29 GMT
I think that not just age alone, but also Jem's role as a big brother versus Scout's role as the younger sister contributed to their different outlooks. Jem's role would make him more protective over Scout, which would easily result in him being more cynical about things and less trusting, and on the other end of the spectrum, Scout would look up to Jem's example and, in order to learn from him, she would have to be more trusting. This also contributed to Scout being so close to Atticus and having very similar views. Jem, having to be an example, also has to learn from Atticus, but he tries to figure out things for himself too.
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Post by davidcastillo on Aug 21, 2016 0:03:58 GMT
I think that scout is used almost as a blank slate to show that we are taught certain behaviors including racism, hate, and sexism. Scouts affected by all three throughout the book in the form of Tom Robinson's trial, Cecil Jacob's behavior, and her aunts treatment towards her. But scout was meant to represent a neutral view on these concepts to show how society treats them and how we are taught them.
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